Thanks for the info critbunny! I have visited with 2 dentists and 2 orthos. I feel good about going with the permanent retainer and the braces, my son too feels good about going ahead with that procedure. That Herbt mechanism is so scary looking and I am a closterphobic (sp?) person and so it would NEVER work for me if I needed to do it! LOL! I wish I could find a photo of what I saw it to look like at the orthos office on his teeth mold thingy, it was OUT THERE to say the least, especially to an 8 year old. First thing he said when the nurse had left was "no way will they put that in my mouth Mom", I didn't respond, just smiled and thought to myself "I sure hope NOT"!
Thanks again for your input. Everyones advice is helpful to me and supportive I really appreciate it.